According to MILPER MSG 11-306, Soldiers will see an adjustment in promotion point distribution for military education on their Promotion Point Worksheet (PPW) on 5 December 2011. The change will become effective for Soldiers being promoted on 1 January 2012 and later.
Military education will be divided into three categories namely Professional Military Education (NCOES), Resident Military Training, and Computer Based Training. In addition, each of these categories will now include a maximum point value. In order to max out the points for military education, a Soldier will have to max out each of the three categories.
Category 1- Professional Military Education.
Includes appropriate NCOES and related academic and/or leadership achievements. The maximum points points in this section will be 104 for promotion to SGT and 112 for promotion to SSG. Points will be equivalent to the level of academic or leadership achievement upon graduation of appropriate NCOES, but point values readjusted as follows:
a. When competing for selection to SGT: WLC graduates will continue to receive 80 promotion points unless recognized as a member of the Commandant’s List, they will then receive 92 points. In order to receive the maximum points of 104 in this category the Soldier must have achieved Distinguished Honor Graduate status or be identified as the Distinguished Leadership Graduate.
b. When competing for selection to SSG: WLC graduates will continue to receive no promotions points. ALC graduates will now receive 90 promotion points. If recognized as having achieved Commandant’s List, they will now receive 101 points. In order to receive the maximum points of 112 in this category the Soldier must have achieved Distinguish Honor Graduate status or be identified as the Distinguished Leadership graduate.
Category 2- Resident Military Training
Includes all Resident Military Training Courses Listed In ATRRS; DA Form 87 limited to Soldier Training Courses in AR 350-1; and all tab-producing courses. Maximum points in this section is 78 points for promotion to SGT and 84 points for promotion to SSG.
Category 3- Computer Based Training
All non-resident military training including Army Correspondence Course Program (ACCP), Distance Learning (DI) and Army E-learning. The maximum points in this category is adjusted to 78 points for promotion to SGT and 84 points for promotion to SSG.
Comments
Irvin
So how are you going to get 798 if you already been WLC or ALC and didn’t get honor grad. So you telling me that if I max out everything else and I didnt get honor grad that I’m just stuck like chuck at 778. While my cut off is 798 and hasn’t come down in over 6 years. At first I didn’t like the new system when it changed the first time becuase I went from 744 to 550. But after i looked at how they did it I was ok with it because it put it in the soldiers hands to get promoted. So there was no more going to the board and coming out with a score that would have you going back to the board again and again to max it so that you could reach your cut off score if it was 798 like mines. But this 1 Jan 2012 change really is messing everybody over. Not everybody can go to schools do to unit funding or location. So now you making it even harder and now you put it back into someone elses hands when it comes to you getting promoted. Because if I’m in a unit that will not send me to schools then what am I to do. And if I’m station some where that doesn’t have many if any schools there what then. Thats 2 to 3 years wasted or even more if I can not get orders to leave.
SGT S
Irvin,
You are correct, if your points are still 798 when the points come out this month, the only way you can achieve that, is if you are maxed in everything, AND were distinguished honor grad.
Also, be mindful of the new RCP that is being pushed out. Supposedly it is 3 stages, and if you arent promoted in a certain amount of time, you will be RCPed/kicked out of the Army. The intentions behind this is to downsize the Army…..
Mark Gerecht
Irvin,
While I cannot explain the specific reason behind the changes I can say after watching two significant reductions in force during my career I can make the following assumptions. The Army will need to cut the force by some number to be determined in the future. Estimates range from 50,000-140,000. So as an institution they need to find ways to keep Soldiers they deem the best. So during these difficult times the standards become very rigid. Just as during the height of the fight we relaxed our standards significantly. So the force is always in some state of change. While this does not help your specific situation perhaps it can help clarify the “WHY”. There is always the possibility that the issue you have encountered is an unintended consequence that was not thought of during the policy change. You could also consider communicating your concerns in a professional manner through the Chain of Command, HRC Promotions Section, SMA, or IG, No matter how hard leaders try…no decision is perfect and cannot take every situation into account. If you choose to communicate with HRC, SMA or IG I would encourage you to run your proposed communication through your local chain of command. Should the either one of these offices respond through official channels you do not want your chain of command to be blindsided. I believe most members of your chain of command would be supportive of your issue and interested in helping fix a potential issue.
SGT S
Honestly, this whole system is crap. Not to be bitching or anything, but it was hard enough to get promoted under the old system, then it got harder under the new system, and now even harder under new, new system.
So, if your points are at 798 for promotion, the ONLY way you can max everything is by having 450 or so CC hours, a ton of resident schools, AND be the distinguished honor grad in your WLC/SLC, which is one soldier every class….
What a load! The Army seriously needs to re-vamp their promo system!
Also, the resident courses is the hardest part of this all. With military wide busget cuts, it’s practically impossible for the units to send all their promotable NCO’s to schools, ESPECIALLY for people like me who are stationed in remote OCONUS locations (Okinawa, Japan)
Also, why are some courses not even given any points for? I am Master Driver qualified, which was an 80 hour school, and I cant even get promo points for this school since no code exists for the school? What rubbish!
Jason
So, the way I read this is that on 5 December 2011 the new system will go into effect, thereby effecting promotions on 1 JAN 2012, correct?
Just want to get clarification on this because I was under the assumption that it wouldn’t take effect until 1 JAN, giving you this next promotion cycle, December, under the current/old system. Thanks.
Mackie
That is correct Jason. It affects 1 January 2012 promotions therefore promotable Soldiers should already see the changes reflected on their PPWs.
shawn
Mackie,
I would imagine cut off scores would be lower if there adjusting everyones points in military education…right? Seeing how the big fuss for this being implemented is because most soldiers were maxing military education points through correspondance courses. I didnt think this new system would have affected promotion for 1 Jan 2012, since it wasnt supposed to be effective till 1 jan. I thought It would have affected promotion for 1 feb 2012 and on, but obviously they chose to start early.
shawn
I thought this new system was effective on 1 Jan 2012, so why are they adjusting soldiers points early? This certainly makes it more difficult for soldiers to get promoted. Especially difficult for those with an MOS with a high promotion point cut off that doesn’t flucuate much. Reduction of troops and no school options currently for re-enlistment doesn’t help either. My question is…will cut off scores be lower now?
Mackie
Shawn,
Points were adjusted after 1 Dec 11 promotions have already been established, therefore, 1 Dec 11 promotions were not affected by the change. The changes will only affect 1 Jan 12 promotions and beyond.
In regards to your question, the Army will still promote based on MOS/grade needs, therefore, the cutoff score really depends on the Soldiers out there and how many points they have. Let’s say the Army needs to promote 100 11Bs to SGT, and the lowest score of the top 100 promotable 11B SPCs is 100 points, then thats the cutoff score. So will the cutoff scores drop? Not necessarily because if the Army does not need to promote a specific MOS/grade, then the cutoff will be 798. If it needs to promote, it will all be based on the Soldiers’ scores.
I hope this answers your question.
shawn
Mackie,
I would imagine
nasteshia
My question is what is the Resident Military Training. As a spc it will hard to get into most because you have to be an sgt and above so how do they get those 78 points. Are they going to change some of the school requirements so spc’s can get those points.
Mackie
Nateshia,
Resident military training are courses other than computer based training and NCOES courses.
There are 1254 resident courses valid for promotion points and you can find those courses by clicking on the link below. The courses listed do not specifically state what ranks are authorized to take the courses however I can only assume there is a sufficient number of courses available for SPCs and below to attend and acquire the maximum 78 points. I believe that the bigger challenges in attending resident courses is not the Soldier’s rank, but the time availability, unit funds, and course availability at your installation, or course slots available at other installations. Timing is an important factor too. Soldiers have to work tightly together with their chain-of-command and training NCOs in order to attend resident courses.
I hope this answers your question.
http://asktop.net/q-and-a/what-schools-can-be-entered-onto-my-erb-and-which-ones-count-towards-promotion-points/
nasteshia
thank you so much. NO ONE knew the answer to this question.
ALL THE WAY ABN
NCO’S LEAD THE WAY
Mackie
Hooah!!! Thank you for trusting us at AskTOP!
OldSarge
@nasteshia:
Reclassify. You’ll get a LOT of resident military training points if you do that.
Mackie
I must remind everyone that prior AIT for Soldiers who reclassify into a new MOS does not count towards promotion points.
Mackie
John,
The bottomline is only 78 (SGT)/84 (SSG) points can be attained through computer based training. If the Soldier with 250 points got them all through computer based training, then he/she will lose 172 (SGT)/ 166 (SSG) points. The Soldier who is not promotable may technically lose his/her points as well, simply put, when he does become promotable, only 84 points of computer based training will count.
Please let us know if you have any further questions.
john
So what will happen if a soldier is close to being maxed out with 250 before the change, what then? will he loose all his points in two of the three categories? Or what if he/she is already maxed out on military education, but not promotable, will they loose there points as well?