The new term for Automatic List Integration (ALI) is Command List Integration (CLI). No, CLI Soldiers will have to appear before the promotion board first in order to add promotion points.
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Mackie
Norma,
A Soldier who was promotable at the time the system changed over on 1 June 2011 would have remained promotable unless otherwise ineligible. Many Soldiers lost their promotable status when the switch occured due to their records not ebing updated, mainly, their APFT & weapons scorecard. If it’s a matter of updating records, the S1 can reintegrate the Soldier without having the Soldier reboard.
-Mackie
norma
If a soldier has already attended the promotion board under the old system will they have to re-attend a board for the new system or will it just translate over?
Mike
The problem still remains that if they did in fact circle no on the AAA-294, they never counseled me for not being promotable or for not allowing the integration. The regulation states that the soldier must be counseled on this if in fact they are not to be integrated. I’m pretty sure that S1 basically just never did their job since we were mobilizing. The fun part is that ALL of my records (ERB, OMPF, even profile on AKO) say SGT…So if HRC doesn’t prevent the removal, the IG will.
KC
I did find this when doing a search:
Answer: It appears that the Soldier was already list integrated and awarded promotion points for CLI. Once Soldiers are integrated
and in a promotable status, a removal board must be conducted to remove the Soldier from the promotion standing list, unless
conditions exists as outlined in AR 600-8-19, Para 3-26. If on the AAA-294 report, the commander circled “no” for list integration
and the S1 failed to deny integration in eMILPO by the 10th of the month, the Soldiers points should be removed using EDAS and
this will remove them from the C10 report and the promotion standing list.
So technically they could have conducted this removal board if the command felt that she was not ready to be promoted. I think she had gotten approved at her last unit about the time she PCS’d because we didn’t know really until she made the list. It doesn’t really matter since she’s getting pinned and I’d rather not delve more into it on this forum.
Mackie
KC,
That was exactly what I was going to say.
-Mackie
Mackie
Mike,
The unit by-name roster is pulled off a separate personnel system by your unit S1. They should be able to show it to you at your request. If for some reason your name is on the Army by-name and not on the unit by-name roster, I suggest your S1 contact HRC to find out what the reason is and get a resolution to your case.
If you would not mind sharing, I would sure like to know the outcome and I’m sure many others would like to know in case they ever run into your situation.
Thanks!
-Mackie
Mike
As of now they are trying to say that my name was circled “no” on the AAA-294 but somehow HRC didn’t track it and thus it was a clerical error…It stinks to me…Hopefully HRC leaves it alone but we will see…My SGM is trying to say it will definitely be rescinded. UGH
KC
Well sometimes HRC does make clerical mistakes. I’m not sure if this is true in your case but people at different levels do make mistakes, which does suck yes. Your command can rescind the orders. If my soldier’s board had not gone well, and SGM didn’t think she was ready, then her orders would have gotten rescinded by the command even though she made the automatic promotion list.
Mackie
Mike,
The proper procedure when not recommending a Soldier for CLI is that when the AAA-294 is turned in to the S1, the Promotions Clerk will do a transaction in eMILPO which will prevent the Soldier from being integrated. HRC has no fault in your case but please don’t get me wrong as I am niether putting fault on your S1 since I don’t know the entire scenario. But the bottomline is it seems that it was an administrative error since the beginning. It’s very unfortunate but it happens accross the Army. My suggestion to you is to work to get recommended for the board, attain promotable status, and if your MOS is still a Star MOS, you will get promoted in no time.
KC,
Out of curiosity, I’m going to take a shot at this though I would hate to stir up the pot. What do you mean by “If my soldier’s board had not gone well, and SGM didn’t think she was ready, then her orders would have gotten rescinded by the command even though she made the automatic promotion list.”
If a Soldier has made the by-name list, provided otherwise eligible and there were no administrative errors, the Soldier must be promoted. I’m just a little confused about the “rescinded” part of your statement.
-Mackie
Mackie
KC,
It seems that you are reading the abovementioned excerpts incorrectly. Par 3-17f is simply stating (and I will interpret it in accordance with the new system rules) that Soldiers who are already CLI, and subsequently attend a board and are given a no-go, will be removed from the promotion standing list, therefore, will become non-promotable and must appear before a board again to regain promotable status. Please keep in mind that the regulation is dated 30 April 2010, though there is still some truth to what is written, guidance regarding the new system has not been published in an updated regulation.
In regards to your second statement, the Commander has untilt he 15th of the month to to deny “list integration”, not promotion. This is in reference to Soldiers who are eligible for integration by virtue of CLI.
Star MOSs that you mentioned can only be found on the monthly cut-off scores. And you are correct, they are double digits since those scores are the lowest allowed under the new system. Please keep in mind that just because a Soldier is promotable based on CLI and is in a Star MOS, does not mean they will get promoted. HRC identifies, by order of merit who will get promoted and units can identify those personnel by pulling the monthly promotion by-name list. Soldiers can also see if they were selected from promotion by viewing the Army-wide by-name list which can be found on the HRC website.
Lastly, you can find the New Sem-Centralized Promotions Brief by following this link http://asktop.net/articles/new-semi-centralized-promotions-system/.
Hope this helps, please let us know if you have any further questions.
-Mackie
Mike
I am having the above issue where I was selected for CLI, orders were cut, sent to my unit, to which my 1sgt said to me was a “clerical error” when I am eligible for CLI! No flags, all TIG/TIS qual, & star MOS (35F) I am emailing the address you provided ASAP
Mackie
Mike,
I very well understand that you belong to a star MOS and that ideally, you have made the cut-off score. However, there is more to it than just making cut-off when on the CLI list. CLI Soldiers are promoted based on an Order of Merit List (OML). Make sure your name is published on the Army-wide and unit by-name roster. If your name is on these rosters, then you indeed make the cut and should have been promoted.
-Mackie
Mike
I did make the Army-wide one which is on the HRC website, but where is the unit by-name roster only available at my unit?
KC
Under the new promotion point system, there are no more points for the board or commander’s points. So if the leadership (SGM/CSM and commander) state that a person on the CLI has to go to a board to get pinned, can they do that? Can’t the commander deny the promotion even if they make it on the CLI?
Mackie
KC,
If the only reason why they do not want to promote him is because they want him to go to the board first, then no, they cannot deny the promotion. Denial of promotion would have to be IAW AR 600-8-19. If the Soldier was selected by HRC by virtue of CLI (being the Soldier is in a star MOS) and his/her name is on the Army by-name list for promotion, the promotion must be executed. If the Chain-of-Command has concerns about the validity of this promotion, they can contact HRC Promotions Branch by e-mailing hrc.tagd.jr.enlistedpromotions@conus.army.mil.
KC
I found this in AR 600-8-19:
3–17. Department of the Army directed promotion list integration to sergeant and staff sergeant
f. Soldiers appearing before a promotion board but not recommended for promotion, regardless of whether they were automatic list integrated, will be removed from the promotion standing list and must reappear before a promotion board to regain promotable status.
So per this paragraph from the reg, does this mean that even though they made it to what is now CLI, if they get denied at a promotion board, they won’t get promoted? But then in an earlier subparagraph of 3-17 it states the commander has until the 15th of the month the soldier is to get promoted to deny the promotion.
Also where is a good place to find the new promotion information because looking at the cutoff scores and for some like the STAR MOSs say cut off is in double digits, it’s very confusing.
bj
your answer is unclear. can you simply say, “yes” or “no”?
Preston
bj, the answer is No. CLI Soldiers cannot add points without appearing before a board.
matt
when you are in the grade of E5 and have not attended the promotion board for E6 can you be command list integrated? If yes, am I correct in assuming that you will no longer attend a promotion board because you will be waiting for DA selection to E7?