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My chain of command removed my promotable status because I took my APFT test while on profile. Can I get my promotable status back?

A Soldier recently PCS to our unit. She lost her promotable status because she took her APFT test while on profile in her last unit but had permission to do so from her previous chain of command. and doctor. Can she get her promotable status back?

This is a call by the chain of command in my opinion.  The question becomes if a Soldier took an APFT while on a profile the Soldier technically violated their profile.  Now there is flexibility built into the profile regulation that allows the Commander some flexibility but the Commander cannot knowingly allow the Soldier to violate their profile.  Now another issue that might arise is the current chain of command might not be able to verify that the Soldier actually took the test.  Some Soldiers sometimes make entries on their APFT scorecard while they are in a PCS status.  Yes, it is not uncommon for a Soldier to alter a PT card.  If the chain of command were to call the previous unit and verify the Soldier took the test it would be then be the chain of command’s call to consider reinstating the Soldier’s promotable status.  I am surprised that the promotion process does not allow for an exception policy for a Soldier on profile.  Usually there is an exception for Soldiers that are on profile.  For example a Soldier that is on profile that cannot take the APFT that is due an evaluation report is allowed to use their previous APFT as long as it is within the past 12 months.  If there needs to be a change in the Promotion process the Soldier might try going to the S-1 and asking if such an exception exist.  If the exception does not exist the Soldier might consider recommending a change in the promotion  process by contacting the HRC proponent for promotions, possibly thru Facebook, the Sergeant Major of the Army via his Facebook page.  Before doing so the Soldier needs to make sure they address the issue in a factual and professional manner and also present a reasonable solution.  Believe it or not Army Leadership cares and wants to fix issues with policy that adversely impact Soldiers.  They can only do this if they know about the adverse impact of the policy.

posted on 11/14/2014 under Q&A
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    The following is extracts from AR 600-8-19, Army Enlisted Promotions in regards to promotion status while on profile. It is broken down into combat related profiles and non-combat related profiles.

    1–32. Physical profiles resulting from combat-related operations
    The following provisions supplement existing semicentralized policies for all Soldiers. These provisions apply to
    Soldiers with physical profiles resulting from combat-related operations as defined in DODI 1332.38. Combat related
    covers injuries and diseases attributable to the special dangers associated with armed conflict or the preparation or
    training for armed conflict. The injuries or diseases must be found to be in the line of duty under the provisions of AR
    600-8-4 before application of the following:
    a. Soldiers who are unable to qualify with a weapon due to a physical profile will use their last weapons
    qualification score until the Soldier is medically cleared to fire for qualification. If the Soldier’s last qualifying score
    was a failing score, that Soldier (regardless of primary weapon assigned) will be granted a minimum qualifying score of 26 hits (M16 scale-DA Form 5790-R (Record Firing Scorecard-Alternate Course)).
    b. Soldiers who are unable to take an aerobic or alternate APFT event due to a permanent physical profile will use
    their last APFT score until the Soldier is medically cleared to take the APFT. If the Soldier’s last score was a failing
    score, that Soldier will be granted a minimum qualifying score of 60 points for each APFT event.
    c. Temporary physical profiles and APFT.
    (1) AA, AGR, and TPU Soldiers with a temporary profile that prohibit taking one or more events of the APFT will
    use their current APFT score provided it is not more than 2 years old at the time of the promotion point computation.
    (2) IRR Soldiers with a temporary profile that prohibit taking one or more events of the APFT will use their current
    APFT score provided it is not more than 3 years old at the time of the promotion point computation.

    paragraph 3-42 (1) Permanent profiles.
    (a) Those Soldiers with permanent physical profiles for the sit-up and/or push-ups events will be granted 60 points
    for each event waived and use the actual score for each event taken and must qualify on the 2-mile run or approved
    alternate test according to FM 21–20.
    (b) Effective 1 April 1995, Soldiers taking an alternate event for the 2-mile run and receiving a passing score
    receive a score for that event equal to the average of the scores for the other two events.
    (2) Temporary profiles.
    (a) Soldiers with a temporary profile that prohibits taking one or more events of the APFT will use their current
    APFT score provided it is not more than 1 year old at the time of the promotion point computation and the Soldier was
    not afforded the opportunity to take an APFT or an authorized alternate test.
    (b) If the Soldier was afforded the opportunity and failed, or through his or her own negligence (as determined by
    the unit CDR) failed to take the test, the Soldier will lose the APFT points.

    Now, paragraph 5-6a(4) requires the Soldier have a passing APFT score within 12 months of the date of the promotion order.

    I do not see why the Soldier was removed from the promotion list for not having a valid APFT. The Soldier should remain on the list, but just lose the APFT points. If they meet points and do not have a valid APFT score as of the date of promotion, then they get passed over, but remain on the list. It is required to have a valid APFT at the time of the board, but not to remain on the list.

    However, if the Soldier fails a record APFT then they are to be removed from the promotion list IAW para 5-27a(12). Accordingly, they must be counseled on the removal IAW para 5-27b.

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