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Can the unit make me take a PT test if I am on profile?

My unit wants me to take a PT Test but I have been on profile for over 90 days. Can they make me take a PT test?

Short answer is yes.  Soldiers on a profile of over 90 days are required to take an alternate event PT Test and participate in the PT events not restricted by their profile. Eligible alternate events currently include the 2.5-mile walk, bike, and swim events. Your chain of command will determine which alternate event is appropriate in light of your profile.

posted on 08/24/2011 under Q&A
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Mark is a Retired Command Sergeant Major with 26 years of military leadership experience. He held 3 military occupational specialties (Field Artillery, Nuclear Weapons Tech, and Ammunition Ordnance). Mark is one of the leading military authors in the fields of leadership, counseling, and training..

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  • SGT Eva

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    I have to disagree. A Soldier on a temp profile can not take an APFT if the profile exempts them from performing push-up and/or sit-up event. Yes, a Soldier can take an APFT on a temp profile, if the profile allows them to perform the push-up, sit-up event, and may take an alternative aerobic event (ie walk, bike, or swim). However, if the Soldier has a permanent profile that exemps them from push-up or sit-ups, then they can take a record APFT (per FM 7-22).

    FM 7-22

    Soldiers on permanent physical profile are given a DA Form 3349. This form annotates exercises and activities suitable for the profiled Soldier. The form also stipulates the events and/or alternate aerobic event the Soldier will do on the APFT. The Soldier must perform all regular APFT events his profile permits. Each Soldier must score a minimum of 60 points on each regular event taken to PASS. The profiled Soldier must complete the alternate aerobic event in a time equal to or less than the one listed in Table A-1. The Soldier must receive a minimum passing score in the alternate event taken to PASS the test. Soldiers profiled for two or more events must take the two-mile run or an alternate aerobic event to PASS the test. Soldiers who cannot perform the 2-mile run or an alternate aerobic event cannot be tested. There is no point score annotated on the DA Form 705 for the performance of alternate aerobic events. These events are scored as a GO or NO GO.

    Soldiers with temporary physical profiles must take a regular three event APFT after the profile has expired. Soldiers with temporary profiles of long duration (more than three months) may take an alternate aerobic event as determined by the commander with input from health-care personnel. Once the profile has been lifted, the Soldier must be given twice the length of the profile (not to exceed 90 days) to train for the regular three event APFT. If a regularly scheduled APFT occurs during the profile period, the Soldier should be given a mandatory make-up date for the APFT.

    From AR 350-1,

    1-21, d. (4)…

    (4) Personnel with permanent medical profiles that preclude participation in the pushup or situp event will take the remaining events if a physician or physician’s assistant approves. The 2-mile run event, or an approved alternate test event as outlined in FM 21–20, must be taken if the test is for record. The alternate test is for soldiers with permanent physical profiles that prevent them from running 2 miles. Soldiers with temporary profiles of long duration (more than 3 months) may also take an alternate test if approved by the commander and health care personnel. Soldiers must be given 3 months to prepare for the alternate test from either the date of the profile or the date recommended by health care personnel.

    • Mark Gerecht

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      SGT Eva,
      First thanks for contributing. It is always great to get feedback from professionals in the field.
      I think we are both saying the same thing, just in a different way.

      The command can direct a Soldier to take a “FOR RECORD” APFT if they are on a Temporary profile as long as:
      1. The Soldier does not violate their profile.
      2. Medical authority authorizes a limited APFT. This may or may not include an alternate Aerobic Event.
      3. A valid APFT must contain an aerobic event. Therefore a Soldier on a temporary profile that states No Pushups, No Situps, no Running but is authorized an alternate aerobic event: Walk, Bike, Swim. Would be required to take a “FOR RECORD” APFT test consisting only of the Aerobic event. This means the Soldier must be given at least 3 months to prepare for the alternate event.

      However if the Soldier cannot participate in an Aerobic event: 2 mile run, 2.5 mile walk, swim, or bike and can only do pushups and situps. The Soldier can not take a “FOR Record” APFT because a “FOR Record” test requires an aerobic event.

      Under no circumstance would a Soldier be required to take a “For Record” APFT that violates their profile.

      This situation usually only occurs when a Soldier has been on an extended temporary profile (more than 90 days), or the Soldier has had multiple profiles back to back that exceed 90 days, or the Soldier is in the process of having an extended temporary profile converted to a permanent profile.

      AR 350-1 EXTRACT
      AR 350-1 paragraph 1-24e. …to be considered a record test, these events must be completed within two hours from the start of the pushup event until completion of the 2-mile run or alternate aerobic event… For Soldiers on a permanent profile or an extended temporary profile (more than three months), a record
      test must include an aerobic event. The only approved aerobic events are the 2-mile run, 800-yard swim, 6.2-mile bike ride (stationary or track), or the 2.5-mile walk.

      If we are still in disagreement let me know and I can give you a call and we can walk through a discussion and seek clarification from one another.
      I am always willing to learn and if I am mistaken I am not above being corrected. Leadership is about learning and that learning works from the bottom up just as well as the top down.

      Thanks again for contributing and I hope to see you posting more frequently on ASKTOP.net

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      • Anonymous

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        If I have a temporary profile that has run/ruck at own pace and distance without causing pain with no alternate event for the apft but I can do the push ups and sit-ups can they still make me take a pt test? My profile is only 6 weeks long but I’m getting evaluated for compartment syndrome in both legs and can barely run a mile without causing pain.

      • Mark Gerecht

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        You can take the APFT only within the limits of your Profile. If your profiles says run at own pace, it means just that. In order for an APFT to be valid it must have an Aerobic event: Run, Walk, Bike, Swim, etc. Without this it is not valid. You can only do PT within the limits of your profile. If you are given an order to run and you are injured or further injure yourself as a result the leader can be held accountable for ordering you to violate your profile. Be Smart and Cautious. If you receive an order to violate your profile be polite, calm, respectful, and professional. Ensure that someone (preferably someone who out ranks you and is at least an NCO) hears the leader giving you the order to violate your profile. In addition it might be wise to respectfully inform the leader that you would like to see ______( Platoon Sergeant/Leader, 1SG, CDR, etc).

        The last thing you want is to go out and violate your profile and injure yourself and then have an unprofessional leader deny that they told you to violate your profile. Then this unprofessional leader might try to counsel you or request UCMJ against you for violating your profile. Again be calm, professional, and respectful. You must think through your actions and attempt to gain the involvement or recognition of someone that can validate the order you received.

        Hope this helps!
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