If the 1SG is the individual who is directly responsible for supervising the daily activities of the supply sergeant, it would be appropriate for him to be the rater. In my career I saw several different rating schemes to include the rater being 1SG, XO, or the property book officer. I know of no specific regulatory guidance that states the 1SG will rate the supply sergeant.
AR 623-3 gives specific guidance about rating chains. Please read the extracts below:
Page: 1, Para 1-4b(4): Rating chains correspond as nearly as practical to the chain of command and supervision, are drawn up by name, given effective dates, published, and made available to each rated Soldier and each member of the rating chain. Any changes to rating chains will also be published and distributed. No changes may be retroactive
Page:6 para 2-3a-b: A rating chain is established by commanders or commandants and maintained by rating officials to provide the best evaluation of an individual Soldier’s performance and potential. A rating chain also ties rated individual performance to a specific senior and/or subordinate relationship. This allows for proper counseling to develop the rated Soldier accomplish the mission. These functions are best achieved in an organization’s chain of command. b. Generally, the evaluation of Soldiers by persons not involved in the chain of command or supervision is inappropriate.
Page 6: para 2-4: The rater will normally be the immediate supervisor of the rated Soldier. The rater will normally be senior by grade or date of rank (DOR) to the rated individual. Commanders will normally rate commanders. Civilian raters for OERs and NCOERs will be designated as official supervisor on the established rating scheme approved by the commander. Civilian raters for NCOERs will be designated and qualified by grade. The minimum grade to be a civilian rater is general schedule (GS) 07.
Page 7: para 2-5: The rater will be the person (immediate supervisor) in the rating chain that directs and is most responsible for the rated Soldier’s performance. The rater will be the immediate supervisor that monitors/observes the day to day performance of the rated individual and directly guides the rated Soldier’s participation in the organization’s mission. The following describe the requirements by form.
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Mark Gerecht
Alaan,
Your statement about the chain of command may or may not be correct. The only person in your NCO Support Channel and Your Chain of Command is your first line supervisor. So if the 1SG is the first line supervisor then he is in fact in the chain of command.
Not trying to split hairs here just want to make sure we are all on the same sheet of music.
Thanks for Chiming In
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ALAAN
1SG is in the NCO support channel, not the chain of command..
Wadiyah
As Edmond stated previously Per AR 735–5 2–8 a(4) states “ Custodial responsibility results from assignment as a supply sergeant, supply custodian, supply clerk, or warehouse person, and is rated by and answerable directly to the accountable officer”. The reason why they are always trying to push your NCOER to the 1SG is just like the HHC First Sergeant previously stated, they don’t want to push your “simple” NCOER to the BN CDR for signature but when you go to ALC your SGLs will tell you if you are not being rated by your Commander than your wrong. The regulation clearly states it. Now I say this because the Commander is usually the accountable officer but if its the XO or someone else then they are the person that would rate you. YOU DO NOT WORK DIRECTLY FOR THE 1SG AS A SUPPLY SERGEANT. Is he in your Chain of Command,yes, but you work directly for the Commander. I’ve been in 12 years and even since I became an NCO my Commander has always rated me.
Derek
In some instances the First Sergeant may have to be in the rating chain. I am a HHC First Sergeant and I have 2 NCOs (Supply SGT and CBRN NCO) who do not have supervisors. Our MTOE does not authorize a Comapny XO so the next person would be the CDR. That pushes a simple Company NCOER up to the BN CDR for signature and I try to stay away from that. As a HHC I am not authorized PLT SGTs so we have to get creative on the rating scheme. Like 623-3 says it has to be a supervisor on a day to day basis.
There is no regulation stating it has to be the 1SG, but there shouldn’t be any issues with it if he does it. I rated my CBRN NCO and he was very impressed with his NCOER. As long as you are getting counseled and your rater understands your job and how you do it everything should be fine.
Josh
Derek,
I am in a similar unit to yours. I was told that If I move to the company to help out that I would be rated as XO. Can an NCO be rated as XO? Thanks for any feedback or regulation.
Josh
Mark Gerecht
Josh,
Great question. I have seen it done in the past that an NCO was rated as an Officer. Now the key becomes will your chain of command support the documentation of this information on your evaluation report? If you are working outside your MOS and you are actually working in the XO position then your duty MOS on the Evaluation report should reflect the position you are filling, for example: the duty MOS listed on the MTOE for the XO. The next question that needs to be answered Is your unit really authorized an XO? If not it will be difficult to justify an XO rating.
So the bottom line is “Yes it is possible”, if the position exists and your chain of command supports the move. I have also seen another option used. In this situation an individual is pulled over to fill a need within an organization (A created position), in these cases I have seen the individual filling the position rated as a more Senior NCO, if the duties the Soldier is performing are considered above the pay grade of the individual performing the task. For example let’s say instead of XO the unit made you the Operations SGT but there was no operations sgt position at the unit but you were performing duties beyound your grade. Then the command has the flexibility to rate you as a SFC,MSG, etc. This would also be acceptable but would need approval from the chain of command.
AR 600-20 provides situations in which NCOs can act as commanders and I recall a situation in Europe where a 1SG was given command of a unit because the Commander was PCSing and could not be delayed. The new commander was not due in for 60-90 days so the 1SG was actually rated as the commander.
Here is an EXTRACT of AR 600-20
2–9. Absence or disability of all officers of a unit
On death, disability, or absence of all officers of a unit normally commanded by an officer, the appropriate commander of the next higher command permanently assigns an officer to command, preferably of the branch to which the unit belongs. Pending assignment and arrival of the new commander, the senior WO, cadet, NCO, specialist, or private regularly assigned to the unit will exercise temporary command. Restrictions on assuming command in paragraphs 2–15 and 2–16 apply. Assumption of command will be as noted in paragraph 2–8.
2–10. Emergency command
The senior officer, WO, cadet, NCO, specialist, or private among troops at the scene of an emergency will assume temporary command and control of the Soldiers present. These provisions also apply to troops separated from their parent units under battlefield conditions. The senior person eligible for command, whether officer or enlisted, within a prisoner of war camp or among a group of prisoners of war, or a group of personnel detained by hostile forces or elements will assume command according to grade and DOR seniority without regard to Service.
2–11. Functions of an individual in temporary command
A commander in temporary command will not, except in urgent cases, alter or annul the standing orders of the permanent commander without authority from the next higher command. Temporary command is defined to include command assumed under conditions outlined in paragraphs 2–8, 2–9, and 2–10. Such commanders will be considered temporary until designated as permanent, or until replaced by the proper SC.
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Art
The 1SG should not rate anyone. The XO should rate the supply sergeant and the commnder is the Senior rater. The regulation states that all NCOERs are reviewed by the 1SG and the CSM. The 1SG should not rate anyone because he is the honest broker.
rick
oh yeah look up property accountability on the pdf version of nar 623-3 3-5 and it will tell you to referance ar 735-5 for people with duties pertaining property yay me i can read
Poindexter
The Company XO is best suited to rate the Sergeant with the Commander as the Senior Rater and the Battalion XO as the Reviewer.
Edmond
The 1SG does not rate the supply sergeant. Per AR 735-5 2-8 a(4) states “Custoidal responsibility results from assignment as a supply sergeant, supply custodian, supply clerk, or warehouse person, and is rated by and answerable directly to the accountable officer”
Preston
Edmond, that’s a great reference. Thanks for sharing!
Travis
Preston,
Edmond is incorrect, AR 735-5 is for property accountability not the rating scheme. The supply sergeant can be rated by the 1SG but does not have to be. The supply sergeant is rated by the 1SG because that is who he works for, supply sergeants work directly for the 1SG and the CDR. Depending on the soldiers status (AGR,TPU) he can also be rated by his/her platoon sergeant or the senior AGR.
rick
no negitive the supply sgt works directly for the commander no matter how they run it in any unit if you are a custodian of accountable property you are rated by the commander yeah other people are gonna write your ncoer because he probably wont but still edmond did quote that correctly out of ar 735-5 2-8 para 4 Custodial responsibility. The obligation of an individual for property in storage awaiting issue or turn-in to
exercise reasonable and prudent actions to properly care for, and ensure proper custody, safekeeping, and disposition of
the property are provided. Custodial responsibility results from assignment as a supply sergeant, supply custodian,
supply clerk, or warehouse person, and is rated by and answerable directly to the accountable officer or the individual
having direct responsibility for the property. Responsibilities include-