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Can I be forced to take a PT test while on profile for no sit-ups and no running?

Can my 1SG make me take a PT test while on an active no sit-up, no run profile? I'm all about being fit but there comes a point in time where in order for you to be squared away you have to be well and uninjured. The PT test will just further injure me and the last thing I want to do is be medically discharged.

Yes you can be required to take a PT test while on profile. For it to be a valid test, you must perform one of the aerobic events: run, bike, swim, or walk. If you take an alternate aerobic event you must be given at least 90 days to practice that event. If you believe that this action is endangering your health I recommend you have a face to face meeting with your 1SG and CDR. You need to prepare for this meeting by putting together your facts and concerns. You must ensure that your discussion with the command team is professional and unemotional.

posted on 02/10/2012 under Q&A
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  • Joshua

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    I’m going through a medical board and have been put on a permenant profile that says I can’t not take part in any event of a APFT. Prior to medical board I was on remedial pt due to a failure. Now that I’m unable to take part in a APFT, my 1SG states I must continue the program. He instructed me to get this profile so I could be dropped from the program, and now says I have to go anyways. I’m attempting to find a way to get of this remedial pt that I have to attend but not take part in. Any suggestions?

    • Mark Gerecht

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      If the participation in PT is a risk to your health and safety and could potentially cause further injury then you might want to consider speaking with the Commander on Open Door Policy, speaking with the Patient Affairs Representative at the Hospital or other member of the hospital to assist in obtaining the appropriate paperwork. Keep in mind it is only a recommendation and your commander does not have to follow it. It he chooses not to follow it and you are injured then your CDR and potentially 1SG or leader ordering participation or activity might be held accountable for the injury.

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      • Anonymous

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        I greatly appreciate you taking the time to give your opinion. My SFC and I spoke with the CO on the matter. In the end, he stated that he didn’t care what is happening or how much I felt like it, that I will be there. And that I can leave my rank or an E-1, my choice. I should be getting my PEB back soon anyway.

  • matt

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    I have a perm profile and today I was given a record pt test. I was told that I failed it because I did not complete the cardiovascular portion. I can do the swim and bike but neither was provided for the test. Can it be considered a failure then?

    • Mark Gerecht

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      If you have a PERM PROFILE you must be given the opportunity to take your alternate event. You must have 90 days to practice the alternate event from the date the profile was issued. The Commander can coordinate with the Doctor to change the alternate event if the command cannot support the alternate event. For example: Swim is usually difficult to support. However the 2.5 mile walk or bike are typically easier to support. Either way based on the information you provided it is not a valid APFT. For specific information Read AR 350-1 Appendix G and FM 7-22

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  • Jon

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    What if along with threats from my commander to entirely take away my profile for my fractured wrist ( which has a cast on it) and continuously harasses me for having a “bullshit” profile as he calls it even though I have X-rays showing I really did fracture my wrist who do I go to then?

    • Jesse

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      Jon you should definitely get IG involved along with filing an EO complaint

    • Bruce

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      Go to his superior but only if he actually carries through with the threats or when the harassment becomes intolerable. In the meantime you may use the open door policy and attempt to resolve this issue with a direct conversation with your commander. I reallyhope this helps.

    • Recon316

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      I’m not sure if your question has been answered on the harassment. Your Commander can not take away your permanent profile. The person you should go see is an Ombudsman. You can find out how to contact them through posted advertisements/fliers of any on post clinic and the post hospital. A majority of the Ombudsman are retired senior NCOs and Officers. They have the weight and power to handle situations like yours. Be sure to tell them “FACTS”! Don’t let emotion or frustration alter the reality of the situation.

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